Declined Abuse ban appeal

Discussion in 'Declined Appeals' started by Fighting Phoenix, Feb 12, 2018.

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  1. Fighting Phoenix

    Fighting Phoenix Admin ★ ★ VIP ★

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    https://bans.wonderland.tf/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=raspootis&advType=name

    1.) Include your ban profile link:
    https://steamcommunity.com/id/rasPOOTIS/

    2.) Explain what happened / why you have been banned:
    I was banned by R4 for 1 day for VIP abuse for using my jetpack on a surf map.

    3.) Tell us why we should unban you:
    I understand where R4 is coming from with his ban, however, in my mind using the jetpack on surf gives me an advantage on the surf not combat itself. The areas that I can get to with use of the jetpack are places that you can get to by completing the surf without the jetpack. I feel as if this was a pretty stiff punishment for something that I feel isn't quite explained well in the VIP rules since the example that is given for using VIP perms as an advantage is killing players while resized (which I have been warned about in the past). I was not resized nor recolored and (minus using the jetpack to get there instead of completing the surf the real way) would be able to get to the location with or without permissions. If nothing else, I'm posting this appeal in the hopes that maybe the VIP rules can be revisited because they are fairly vague and wide open to interpretation which leads to situations like this.
     
  2. R4

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    I simply cant agree with that assertion, there's nothing unclear about when VIP powers can be used.
    Any situation where using your VIP powers gives you or leads to you having an advantage over normal players in combat is abuse.

    You using jetpack to get to areas other players may be unable to get too and then using the spots there to kill people clearly falls under that.
    If you are capable of normal surfing there, then do it. Don't give yourself a huge advantage with jetpack.

    Its made perfectly clear any advantages that VIP powers can grant you in combat are forbidden, in no way is that vague or open to interpretation
     
  3. Fighting Phoenix

    Fighting Phoenix Admin ★ ★ VIP ★

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    That's just it, other players are capable of getting to these locations. Plus, I was not using the jetpack to directly influence combat, the map provided the location. It was not a 1 time location nor a location that other players are incapable of reaching (minus the fact that red and blue go to different side jails).
     
  4. R4

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    Yes, but you using a jetpack guarantees and makes it far easier for you to access this section of the map, no need to mess with surfing just jetpack to the spot.

    That's a clear advantage over normal players which leads to you getting a huge advantage in combat. Which is clearly forbidden, there's nothing vague about being told to not do anything with your VIP powers which would lead to you gaining an advantage in combat.
     
  5. Fighting Phoenix

    Fighting Phoenix Admin ★ ★ VIP ★

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    Another reason that I feel the rules should be revisited is because of the number of VIPs and staff that use their jetpacks as well to complete the surf. If it were an isolated occurrence I could see it being chalked up to user negligence but seeing the number of people that do it, I feel that is too great a number to say that it is cut and dry clear in the rules. (I will not be naming names since it is not my place to do so)
     
  6. R4

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    Using a jetpack to complete surf is fine, it's when you use that jetpack to get to a location and then kill someone it becomes a problem.

    If you cannot or aren't willing to provide examples of people doing this then I can't really see any reason for changing the wording of the rules other than your word as a user.
    Which could just as easily be you making things up to try lighten your offense.

    No other admin or VIP has said to me they found this to be unclear, it's just basic common sense. If you use the powers in a way that will grant an advantage in combat it's abuse.
    You are the only person we know of who has found this hard to understand and it makes me worry that you applied for staff not knowing this.
     
  7. R4

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    No response and ban expired.

    Appeal Denied.
     
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